Not for me; I keep the two separated. Some people are NOT on here now
that are on our group in Google. Conversely, the trolls and others
are here. The Google. group would be it's own nirvana if this group
wasn't looked at...cause then you would not know Paul posted that
here.
I think this group needs a moderator in some senses and not in others.
I like it as the one place for free speech. What I object to (which I
guess is a contradiction and is kind of hypocrytical I guess, but we
have this problem in America and in the courts as well) is when there
is a conflict or something, the interjection of trolls who know
nothing about going on yet come in to cause extra problems. Or
profanity, sex stuff that's just aimed at someone for no reason (like
you are a fag or crap like that). I think people have rights to say
what they will if it's true or they feel it's true and others have a
right to defend and say the truth in the other direction. But no
point at all comments meant just to cause problems need to be removed.
But the problem will always be: where is the line? My line would be
different than yours. Paul did a double standard thing in a way; was
that crossing the line? I think our lines are different because he
appropriately respected the group he made and knows this is a forum
for everyone. Actually, it's BETTER in my view. Neither Todd nor
Jose are on that group and so he's not talking behind their backs.
But out of line? Maybe. I'd of handled it different. I'd personally
of taken my problem to email and tried to work through it. But you
may have handled it different from that; some might even just talk
about the person behind their back forever and make others not like
him. That's worst I think. At least here a dialog was opened and I
think the two have now taken it off board and personal.
To all here. Let me say one thing. We all like to chime in on things
that are not our business and take stands and make decisions with
that, but really, you don't know what this or other things may REALLY
be about. I do this a lot too in what I feel are unjust causes. I did
it here. But I KNOW some of what is going on. You all don't. So
rushing to criticize or defend is not always right. In this
particular case, there are things ... and as for Todd and Jose, yes, I
agree, people SHOULD post what is their experience (as long as
truthful). In these cases, seems like everyone is in agreement Todd
and Jose are good guys who get stuff for people and nobody has EVER
been ripped off etc. That's great; just leave the other comments out.
Let them work it out now alone. I know both and have had extensive
conversations with Paul in the past; he's a nice guy and has
legitimate feelings about what his problem is with them; he just needs
to let it out and let them all make up. To me, it's possible. I
also know Jose, who gets a Christmas card from me every year (he's
also a very nice guy). Todd I don't know, but he helps others get
stuff and never rips people off or causes problems here so in my view,
a nice guy too.
Time to let it be. All of us including me. I am done here. I know
this board can't be a nirvana and accept that (but wish the bar could
be raised a bit).
On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:05:24 +1100, "Mr Black"
Post by Mr BlackPost by Sue HMr B, please remember to separate the two boards. The other group has
no mention of this; it's kept very separate. I am proud of that.
Sue, i have made no mention of this on the other group, nor do i intend to.
My point is that the golden rule of the other group, Paul's group, is no
flaming, yet its ok for him to do it here ????
The one thing i really can't stand is double standards, and it really makes
the other group he started seem like a false nirvana now.
MrB