Be careful

[Sue H]

Even on the MLB.com site (auctions) endorsed by Becketts (and they are
the ones who mailed the item to us), advertised the card we won in an
auction as "Rookie card" and it's not. So apparently, even these
sites can be fishy. I won't whine about it. Total was three bucks
including shipping, but gee friggin' whiz, is ANYONE out there
honest?!

[barefoot]

what's the card? who's the player???
sometimes they make a card for someone and they were a rookie even up
to a couple of years ago, but it could be the "first" card, which many
seem to consider a rookie.
mike

[Sue H]

Ok, it must be me not understanding how cards work... I just did a
Google and it IS apparently a Rookie card but maybe it's like you said
the first time they made a card for him? It's Lee Smith from the
Cubs. The card was pitched as (and apparently IS all over the net and
Ebay) as a 1982 Donruss Lee Smith (P) Rookie Card (Cubs). However, I
know he played a couple years before that so when I flipped the card,
I was right... it has stats from 1980 and 1981. I thought he started
Late 1979 or 1980... so am a bit confused as to why it's a "Rookie"
card. I have always been under the impression that rookie meant the
first year in the Majors. His first year was in 1980 but maybe
because he was a relief picther? I didn't think that should matter
for anything... so am a little confused. Whatever you know, let me in
on it!

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:06:14 -0700 (PDT), barefoot

Post by barefoot
what's the card? who's the player???
sometimes they make a card for someone and they were a rookie even up
to a couple of years ago, but it could be the "first" card, which many
seem to consider a rookie.
mike

[Lee Cochenour]

Smith only pitched 21 innings in 1980 and 67 in 1981. It looks like he
started both those years in the minor leagues. The trading card companies
probably made cards for players that were on big league rosters or expected
to be at the beginning of the season. Smith broke through about halfway
throgh the 81 season, so 1982 was likely the first season that he started
the year with the team, hence his rookie card. The way MLB does stats, his
27 innings in 1980 weren't enough to categotrize him as a rookie. Officially
1981 was his rookie season, but it was too late for the card companies to
get his card out.

Lee
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Post by Sue H
Even on the MLB.com site (auctions) endorsed by Becketts (and they are
the ones who mailed the item to us), advertised the card we won in an
auction as "Rookie card" and it's not. So apparently, even these
sites can be fishy. I won't whine about it. Total was three bucks
including shipping, but gee friggin' whiz, is ANYONE out there
honest?!

[Sue H]

Thanks for explaining that. I have not come across that really before
though I do have another card I thought was a rookie and then figured
it wasn't so I am going to see if I can find it. So I apologize for
the previous post. I wonder though, doesn't this affect value. I
guess all Rookie cards aren't valuable though because a lot of
potential somebody's don't last. Then others are mediocre or average.
I am guessing Lee is a bit above average... I saw I got a decent deal
on the card, but it's not worth THAT much. I'll be getting it signed
though; I guess that could make it BETTER or WORSE. I have no clue
when it comes to baseball cards.

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:52:00 -0500, "Lee Cochenour"

Post by Lee Cochenour
Smith only pitched 21 innings in 1980 and 67 in 1981. It looks like he
started both those years in the minor leagues. The trading card companies
probably made cards for players that were on big league rosters or expected
to be at the beginning of the season. Smith broke through about halfway
throgh the 81 season, so 1982 was likely the first season that he started
the year with the team, hence his rookie card. The way MLB does stats, his
27 innings in 1980 weren't enough to categotrize him as a rookie. Officially
1981 was his rookie season, but it was too late for the card companies to
get his card out.
Lee
http://www.geocities.com/leecoke/

Post by Sue H
Even on the MLB.com site (auctions) endorsed by Becketts (and they are
the ones who mailed the item to us), advertised the card we won in an
auction as "Rookie card" and it's not. So apparently, even these
sites can be fishy. I won't whine about it. Total was three bucks
including shipping, but gee friggin' whiz, is ANYONE out there
honest?!

[barefoot]

yeah, the companies do extensive rookie cards now... but until the big
card boom of the 80's, they didn't really showcase them as rookie
cards. just got them out when they saw that the person was a full time
player. nowadays, there are rookie cards of people that don't even
spend a minute in the bigs...
mike

[B14]

Post by Sue H
Even on the MLB.com site (auctions) endorsed by Becketts (and they are
the ones who mailed the item to us), advertised the card we won in an
auction as "Rookie card" and it's not. So apparently, even these
sites can be fishy. I won't whine about it. Total was three bucks
including shipping, but gee friggin' whiz, is ANYONE out there
honest?!

jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

[pe2]

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